Legislature(1999 - 2000)

02/16/1999 01:36 PM Senate L&C

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     SB 51-LICENSING OF COSMETOLOGISTS                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MACKIE announced SB 51 to be up for consideration                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY said the bill was introduced at the request of the                                                                
Board of Cosmetologists.  The only controversy within the bill                                                                  
appeared to be the licensing of manicurists and what training they                                                              
require.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MACKIE noted that the sponsor of SB 51 was actually the                                                                
Senate Community and Regional Affairs Committee.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. CATHERINE REARDON, Director, Division of Occupational                                                                       
Licensing, said her staff provides the staff support to the Board                                                               
of Barbers and Hairdressers.  She agreed that the primary issue in                                                              
SB 51 is the licensing of manicurists.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Less controversial items include changing the term "cosmetologist"                                                              
to "aesthetician" throughout the statute; this is why the bill is                                                               
so long.  This is a request of the Board which says that the term                                                               
"aesthetician" is much more common in other parts of the country to                                                             
mean skin care which is what cosmetologists are in our statute.                                                                 
Using the term "cosmetologist" has been confusing to people who are                                                             
coming in from other states, leading them to think that's a                                                                     
hairdresser license and applying for the wrong kind of license.  SB
51 has no other impacts on her division or fiscal impacts.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
The next item is the creation of a temporary license, which is                                                                  
different from a temporary permit.  The temporary license allows                                                                
people to continue to practice between the period that they                                                                     
complete their training and passing the exam.  Depending on what                                                                
town you are in, there could be lag-time before the exam is                                                                     
offered.  This provision allows the temporary licensee to operate                                                               
under the direct supervision of another licensed person and was                                                                 
also proposed by the Board.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON said that in the past she has opposed licensing                                                                     
manicurists, but the Board has traditionally supported licensing                                                                
manicurists.  The Board is meeting in March and could comment on                                                                
the specific bill.  Her Division's perspective of SB 51 is that                                                                 
training required for a manicurist's license is carefully                                                                       
restricted in the title and content of the bill, to be very                                                                     
specific that it cannot exceed 12 hours of training and in health,                                                              
safety, and hygiene.  She personally feels that is preferable to                                                                
previous proposals, because in prior years her concern was that                                                                 
there were a lot of manicurists practicing right now without                                                                    
licensure and potentially there would be a very expensive training                                                              
regimen set up where people would have to close their shop and go                                                               
to Anchorage for a couple of months, and spend a couple thousand                                                                
dollars to get a license.  That might have a lot of real negative                                                               
consequences for small business people.  She wasn't sure that the                                                               
public health and safety risk of incompetent manicuring was                                                                     
sufficient to be worth that problem for business people.  Since the                                                             
bill is directed toward health and safety, primarily concerns about                                                             
infections resulting from fake nails that are being put on                                                                      
permanently.  The Board members tell her that it possible to get                                                                
infections because the nail is covered for so long.  If that is the                                                             
reason for government involvement in regulation of this profession,                                                             
it is appropriate that the training focus on the safety issues.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MACKIE asked if she supported the bill.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON answered that she thought the Department would be                                                                   
neutral on this bill, but she hadn't shown it to the Commissioner                                                               
for the official position.  The Board has not seen this bill, but                                                               
she anticipates that they would support it.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 410                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY asked if there was a section that said if you're an                                                               
instructor, you no longer have to get each individual certificates                                                              
and pay a whole new permit fee.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON replied that is the fourth aspect of this bill on page                                                              
5, line 9 of the draft CS.  It says a person licensed as an                                                                     
instructor is considered to be licensed as a practitioner, and,                                                                 
therefore, they don't have to buy both the instructor license and                                                               
the practitioners license.  The Department supports this provision.                                                             
She added that there would be a fiscal note relating to the                                                                     
licensing of manicurists; however, since the draft says there won't                                                             
be a state administered examination, that would decrease her last                                                               
year's fiscal note.  She would not collect the $55 fee to hire a                                                                
proctor to give the exam.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY said that some states allow self-testing to avoid                                                                
the problem of the state offering the test only on certain dates.                                                               
He asked if the Board has a position on that.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON said she didn't know for sure, but would ask them.                                                                  
From the Division perspective, it doesn't seem to be very                                                                       
disturbing.  In fact, it might be a good idea.  She said a concern                                                              
might be if the exam givers are giving it to their own students.                                                                
She said she would find out and noted that taking the exam out of                                                               
the state's hands would also take out of the State's budget.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 450                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY moved to adopt the CS to CSSB 51(L&C).  There were no                                                             
objections and it was so ordered.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY asked if there were any concerns about exploring the                                                             
self testing aspect.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY said he didn't understand how it would fit in this                                                                
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY explained that offering an exam in the private                                                                   
sector would allow a person to take it right away instead of having                                                             
to wait two or three months.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY said he thought that was a different place than where                                                             
the bill started out.  He doubted that anyone would fail the exam;                                                              
if they would pay the $3,000 - $4,000 to take the course, he                                                                    
thought they would pass the exam whether they showed up or not.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR DONLEY said in a way it related to the intermediate                                                                     
license, since the State only offers the exam at certain times.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MACKIE said he thought it sounded more efficient to be                                                                 
able to take the test when you are done with the course rather than                                                             
to have to schedule another trip out of town to take the test.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY suggested getting an opinion from the Board while the                                                             
bill moves to Finance.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON agreed to poll the Board and let the committee know                                                                 
their position as soon as possible.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MACKIE noted that Ms. Janice Adair, Director, Division of                                                              
Environmental Health, had been available to testify in Anchorage,                                                               
but had to leave because of illness.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. REARDON explained that the bill requires the Department of                                                                  
Environmental Conservation (DEC) to inspect a shop when it first                                                                
opens.  When a business changes hands, DEC is no longer able to                                                                 
reinspect.  Where municipalities are involved, more frequent health                                                             
inspections are occurring.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN MACKIE noted the DEC fiscal note of $3,800 and which says                                                              
the Department does not currently inspect facilities covered by                                                                 
this legislation, nor are they proposing to start an inspection                                                                 
program.  Regulations are self-implementing and, time permitting,                                                               
they would respond to complaints.  However, they present a                                                                      
relatively low public health risk.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR KELLY moved to pass CSSB 51(L&C) from committee with the                                                                
accompanying fiscal notes.  There were no objections and it was so                                                              
ordered.                                                                                                                        

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